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Posted on Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:38 pm

### Kief

Joined: 13 Mar 2006
Posts: 120

"wind current was at .2 mph and the air pressure in the room was too high)"
Wind currents are not going to push pens and pencils around unless you are blowing on them, which obviously I would know given a live demonstration.
"Now...about your subconscience having to get used to it"
I do not disbelieve or believe in TK or anything else. Very few people are apparently reading my posts. Meh, their loss. I have already explained my position on this numerous times.
I grew up knowing that objects can move on their own without any apparent physical means moving them. There is nothing wrong with my mind or subconscious accepting these things. I am only skeptical that others can do what they claim, especially when they do something and claim it is actually TK or paranormal.

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Posted on Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:53 pm

### carrie_white

Joined: 01 Mar 2006
Posts: 133

i believe he can move things with his mind.
Apollo is a good guy, and if there is someone here who wants to fake videos, so, i go do one where i levitate a lot of things, if apollo wanted fake videos, he would do one that he levitate a ball, a pen, a box, etc....
tk is real, if u dont believe, continue with this .........
Ai meu Deus essas pessoas idiotas q vem aki s? p echer o saco, vao tudo tomar no?c? este kief, vai se fude seu boiola, vc nao sabe de nd, ele pode mover e ponto final.....
tchau!!!!

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Posted on Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:03 pm

### Apollo

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1589

just ignore him now. He will stop eventually

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Posted on Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:05 pm

### carrie_white

Joined: 01 Mar 2006
Posts: 133

ok Chris
you are great!!!!!!!!

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Posted on Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:29 pm

### mattz1010

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 885

Apparently, *somebody*'s on a fool's crusade. Why are you going all PMS over a video posted on the internet?
Maybe the pinwheel can be moved via air currents, but how exactly does that fit into the argument of "OMG IF IT CAN MOVE BY AIR IT CANT MOVE BY PSI" that you keep pulling out of your ass?
You say you've levitated stuff before (which is a pretty radical claim, based on the shit you just pulled off back there), why are you claiming that the pinwheel can't be moved by psi?
Are you so paranoid that you think EVERY SINGLE PERSON that puts a psi video online is faking it?
Are you that full of yourself?
I'll leave that for you to lie to.

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Posted on Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:29 am

### Apollo

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1589

who are you going off on?

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Posted on Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:53 am

### Kwanza

Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Posts: 12

Nice video, excellent work.

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Posted on Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:28 am

### Kief

Joined: 13 Mar 2006
Posts: 120

"Apparently, *somebody*'s on a fool's crusade. Why are you going all PMS over a video posted on the internet?"
I am not PMS'ing over anything, YOU are the one all pissy and angry that they had all their crap arguments torn to pieces.
"Maybe the pinwheel can be moved via air currents, but how exactly does that fit into the argument of "OMG IF IT CAN MOVE BY AIR IT CANT MOVE BY PSI" that you keep pulling out of your ass?"
You are not moving it with psi. Get over your delusion.
A pinwheel with sit there and spin with no effort from a person, just having their hands near, not near, breathing, anything will work and make it spin, apparently on it's own.
"You say you've levitated stuff before (which is a pretty radical claim, based on the shit you just pulled off back there), why are you claiming that the pinwheel can't be moved by psi?"
Because it's air, or heat, or any number of factors. A pinwheel will move from nearly no influence at all. Get up and walk away from a pinwheel, and you will create circulating air currents that will make it spin and move.
It is not a valid test for any sort of psionic powers, EVER.
"Are you so paranoid that you think EVERY SINGLE PERSON that puts a psi video online is faking it?"
Paranoid? WTF? What would I be paranoid of?
You are the one paranoid that all your little alleged psi videos simply don't cut the mustard and are merely magic tricks, not magick powers.
"Are you that full of yourself?"
Are you that stupid?
Yes, I am filled with myself; my organs, my fluids, the food I eat, the air I breathe. That is me, and I am it. I can only be filled with me, otherwise someone would be wearing a flesh coat made from my skin.
"I'll leave that for you to lie to."
Well having all your rhetorical, immature comments destroyed certainly hasn't improved your ability to coherent

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Posted on Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:34 am

### Baka

Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 121

Kief, please, enlighten me. What is your motive? What is your goal other then being an ass?
Will you get some sort of sick, perverted pleasure from turning us into sceptics as well?
What is the point of all this?

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Posted on Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:17 am

### psi_manipulator_3000

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 1274

Kief wrote:
Are you that stupid? Yes, I am filled with myself; my organs, my fluids, the food I eat, the air I breathe. That is me, and I am it. I can only be filled with me, otherwise someone would be wearing a flesh coat made from my skin.

Are you that stupid kief? My opinion: You are full of yourself. What you just said is an example of pure bullshitting yourself out of something you can't prove wrong. Quite similar to EVERYTHING else you have said on this forum.

Kief wrote:
Especially when you will dismiss any evidence I present just like you are trying to dismiss the other video-graphic evidence, as all lunatic believers do when they are entirely proven wrong.

Why are we the ones dismissing evidence? Your dismissing
our evidence. Your just not providing a rasional arguement for your beliefs. And fyi, barging into a forum, parading your beliefs about and expecting us to follow you like little sheep isn't a good idea and won't get you much respect and support. Also, when you say stuff like "You can't do pk and you are not moving the psi wheel", you are meaning to say I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THIS" yes?
Tip for the future: Don't call us "kiddo's" or "kid" or "junior" (sp?)
Give us the respect that we would like to give to you if you didn't keep shoving it back at us. We are people too and Humans at the age of 15 are not stupid and gullable you stereotypical bastard. You obviouslt havn't had the courtesy to sensibly put forward your arguements without bringing verbal violence into this forum. I think this member deserves to be kicked for being an ass and not providing proper evidence, nor accepting any other evidence we choose to show him. What do you actually want?

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Posted on Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:45 am

### Bob_stew

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 265

Please guys, don't reduce yourselves to this level. This is what the sceptics do on sceptic-dominated 'paranormal' - forums, like unexplained-mysteries.com.
Please don't lower yourselves down to their level. Does it matter to you what Kief thinks? No? You could never convince him using words anyways. If he doesn't want to understand your perfectly valid points and simple logic (and a little flame-bordering arguement), he won't. Simple as that. No one wants to see psipogbb.net follow unexplanied-mysteries.com down into the mud.
Please stop. Thank you.
ON-TOPIC: Great vid, Apollo. Thumbs up.

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Posted on Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:54 am

### psi_manipulator_3000

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 1274

Good point. I aopoligise for bringing it back up again. I just really had to get some of that off my chest. Dispute over for me.

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Posted on Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:00 am

### Rahmid

Joined: 14 Apr 2006
Posts: 739

Ok well as i said before. Keid you said previously that you blew "our"(not me I'm trying to be not involved) aguments to crap. Well not really. Others would claim they did the same to you. Equalling to nothing and pointless bickering. Both sides need to relized that everyone has lost. No one is going to win this agument.
If for some reason you want to continue yelling and insulting each other, dont do it here. THis isnt the place. Apollo previously posted a link to a thread were this should be. Please go there.
Rahmid

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Posted on Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:08 pm

### Apollo

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1589

Ok, this topic is going no where. It is just going back and forth attempting to attack eachother. I am locking this topic to end this war. Everyone knows that we respect skeptics' ideas but this topic is getting way out of control. Anyone who disagrees, feel free to drop me a pm.
Locked

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