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Otherkin real or fake? on Fri May 05, 2006 5:32 pm

### Karis

Joined: 05 Apr 2006
Posts: 44

I was wondering if psionics are real then are those who call themself otherkin for real what they say they are :S just wondering im open to all sorta info about them

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Posted on Fri May 05, 2006 5:56 pm

### Aether

Joined: 01 May 2006
Posts: 60

There's no real way to tell, because it is such a subjective phenomena.
Otherkin think they know what they are, skeptics think they don't. Its upto you to decide what you think about it, really. There's no simple answer to it
Aether.

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Posted on Fri May 05, 2006 6:34 pm

### Vladimir

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 666

My opinion (AKA truth):
Otherkin = bullshit
Psionics = real, obviously.

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Posted on Fri May 05, 2006 6:50 pm

### Karis

Joined: 05 Apr 2006
Posts: 44

I think as vladimir but hey u never know i first thought that psionics were bullshit but then i read articles and thougt again that this might be real and after that realised it is but i really doupt the otherkins :S

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Posted on Fri May 05, 2006 7:05 pm

### Zemeon

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 269

I also agree with Vladimir and Karis. It both makes sense that otherkin is complete bullcrap.

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Posted on Fri May 05, 2006 7:09 pm

### WhiteRaven

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 343

*ahem* why is this in the applied psionics forum?
anyway, why does it matter? Otherkin believe, for whatever reason, that they have the soul of a mythical being, okay, now, unless you are one, how does that affect you? I'm of the believe what you want mentality, hell, for all I care, you can believe you are a giant fire snail, it really doesn't affect me in the slightest.

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Posted on Fri May 05, 2006 7:37 pm

### Karis

Joined: 05 Apr 2006
Posts: 44

Just curious im very curious and knowledge thirsty person thanks for reply everyone

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Posted on Fri May 05, 2006 8:13 pm

### pyroman098

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 916

i'm a quarter rat i always thought...i still do...(dont ask why because i wont tell you)

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Posted on Fri May 05, 2006 10:02 pm

### Peebrain

Site Admin
Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 716

I believe otherkin falls in the same category of psi-vampirism. I.e., people sitting around who identify with an idea, so they think that the identification must be REAL. Well, no, just because you find something cool and interesting doesn't mean it must be who you "really" are.
We're all human. That's just how it goes.
~Sean

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Posted on Sat May 06, 2006 6:51 am

### bladeslinger

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 1337

I think its hypocritic to say that otherkin are fake and psi is real.....it's litteraly saying that people can move things with their minds but they cant have an animal sub c(I dont know alot about otherkin so sorry if I worded that wrong )

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Posted on Sat May 06, 2006 7:07 am

### Karis

Joined: 05 Apr 2006
Posts: 44

but honestly vampires who need blood and die in daylight :S not very true sounding i believe if there would have been vampires in midleage they would have been hunted down till none survived thats IF they would have ever been real i dont believe in them its just so bizarre that i cant

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Posted on Sat May 06, 2006 8:01 am

### Bob_stew

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 265

IMO, original and polite people are at least worthy of being called interesting. As soon as I saw the new otherkin guy (the dragon), I went straight ahead and googled otherkin. I think most of them are pretty reasonable.. Not all though.
About otherkin vampires.. I believe that if someone wants badly enough to get hurt by sunlight, they *may* actually get hurt from sunlight. And whether or not this person believes he/she is inflicting it upon her/himself, he/she might actually get ill from going too long without drinking blood, if he/she wants badly enough to be a vampire.
What do they do anyways, buy animal blood?

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Posted on Sat May 06, 2006 11:11 am

### Peebrain

Site Admin
Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 716

bladeslinger wrote:
I think its hypocritic to say that otherkin are fake and psi is real.....

How is that hypocritical? Just because I believe in one paranormal thing doesn't mean I have to believe in everything paranormal under the sun. There is a lot of scientific evidence for things like PK and telepathy... On the other hand, there is no scientific way to test whether someone's "soul" is really a "dragon" or not.
Making an untestable claim is a way to completely sidestep a way to be proven wrong. It is impossible for me to prove an otherkin wrong, because there is no way to test their claim. I could claim that I have an invisible pink elephant spirit that floats around and follows me around, and only I can see him. The elephant can't interact with the physical world, and if you want to talk to the elephant, you have to ask me questions - and then I'll relay the message to the elephant.
Now: that claim is untestable. I've designed it in such a way that you can not prove me wrong. But c'mon - it's just silly.
This is why we have a rule that says: 6. Present reasonable ways for others to validate your claims. Could otherkin be real? Well, by definition, yes... because it's impossible to prove wrong. Could my invisible elephant be real? Well... yes. But it's pointless to argue about because there is no way for a third party to validate the information.
~Sean

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Posted on Sat May 06, 2006 11:46 am

### Bob_stew

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 265

Peebrain wrote:
Now: that claim is untestable. I've designed it in such a way that you can not prove me wrong.

Well, it's quite possible to percieve if you're lying. As for finding out if you are delusional.. Maybe possible for a really experienced psion? I don't know, 'cause I'm not one. Also, I guess one could use logic to defeat your claim, observe how you respond to that, and go from there with psychology to see if you are making up lies for yourself in your head.
The point is, someone doesn't have to be right for me to have an interesting discussion with them. I like talking to many people with different mindsets, simply for the purpose of seeing how different people have different opinions on stuff. Even if I think otherkins are delusional, I don't just go about say that and pose a challenge of proving her/himself (by logic or whatever) as soon as I meet one.
I like to talk to original people just for its own purpose, and I think we all should. I try to maintain respect for those who in my eyes haven't understood what I in my eyes understand perfectly. If only all those who are sceptic to psionics were that way.. But meh, whatever floats your boat. I'm not telling anyone what to do. I think you, peebs, are a man with a good supply of respect. I'm not saying none of this applies to you.

Peebrain wrote:
This is why we have a rule that says: 6. Present reasonable ways for others to validate your claims.

As long as people aren't persistant in trying to get people to take their claims seriously, they shouldn't need to follow the sixth rule, right?
Posing a claim, but saying you don't expect people to take it seriously should be okay IMO. Improves peoples understanding of others

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Posted on Sat May 06, 2006 11:52 am

### Aether

Joined: 01 May 2006
Posts: 60

In light of what Peebrain said, it ocurred to me that this topic could also be seen as breaking the rules via;

Quote:
1. Do not talk about religion/spirituality

Dealing with subject matter of the Soul and spirits, thus religion and spirituality.
I hadn't foreseen how this might develop earlier, sorry.
Aether.

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