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Ryan Whisler / Randi Million dollar challenge on Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:53 am

### tRokt

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 29

You probably all know about James Randi and that his foundation is offering a million dollars to anyone that provides objective proof that paranormal exists.
This guy Ryan applied to the challenge. Here are the links to some of his videos about PK:
http://members.aol.com/plittle/ryan1.wmv
http://members.aol.com/plittle/ryan2.wmv
http://members.aol.com/plittle/ryan3.wmv
http://members.aol.com/plittle/ryan4.wmv
(stolen from randi million dollar challenge forum)
info about million dollar challenge:
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

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Posted on Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:37 am

### Peebrain

Site Admin
Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 716

Holy crap - that's awesome!
An awesome idea too! (using pendulums).
~Sean

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Posted on Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:35 am

### WhiteRaven

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 343

What could cause anyone to be stupid enough to accept that challenge, even if you did win, our dumbass president would declare you as a terrorist for "working with demons"

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Posted on Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:46 am

### Eldibs

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 909

And you would ruin any chances you have of cheating in Vegas.

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Posted on Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:50 am

### somefatguy

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1187

Eldibs wrote:
And you would ruin any chances you have of cheating in Vegas.

Yeah, you would, but there are also lots of positives to it.

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Posted on Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:58 pm

### WhiteRaven

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 343

what is positive about trying to win a prize set by a con-artist, anyone who does things like that is a scam artist, like that dr. dino who is offering 750,000 to anyone who can prove evolution is not a religion.(which it is not)

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Posted on Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:18 pm

### somefatguy

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1187

WhiteRaven wrote:
what is positive about trying to win a prize set by a con-artist, anyone who does things like that is a scam artist, like that dr. dino who is offering 750,000 to anyone who can prove evolution is not a religion.(which it is not)

Well, it seems I don't know anything about this "challenge" but I thought you could win a million dollars or something? And another positive is if you do accomplish it more people would start to believe in phsychic related stuff and be inspired. Well, that's I can think of but once again please don't yell at me because I don't really know all of the facts.

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Posted on Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:24 pm

### Eldibs

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 909

Win $1,000,000 one time, cheat in Vegas at every casino, and win something like $50,000 each time (more might look too suspicious). Seems like it would be an easy choice to me.
For the record, 20 x 50,000 = 1,000,000, and there are more than 20 casinos in Vegas.

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Posted on Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:34 pm

### Apollo

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1589

WhiteRaven wrote:
What could cause anyone to be stupid enough to accept that challenge, even if you did win, our dumbass president would declare you as a terrorist for "working with demons"

Lets leave the president out of this please.
Good respectable Tkers (even ones that I know) took on this challenge and they got made fun of because this Randi guy kept thinking of BS ways to prove it is not possible. It is rigged so dont get your hopes up

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Posted on Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:43 pm

### Eldibs

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 909

There is always going to be some way to fake it. There will always be someone that figures out how to beat all the tests with a parlor trick. Duh. There are parlor tricks for EVERYTHING. Someone needs to explain to him that just because someone can fake it, doesn't mean they did. I could have faked my Visual Basic test, but I didn't.

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Posted on Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:19 pm

### WhiteRaven

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 343

once my sister faked an optometrist into thinking she needed glasses, I don't know why the hell she wanted them, but the point is, even experts can be faked out sometimes.
I could rant for days on Randi's ass-fucking antics, but I think Tomekeeper's explanation is as close to perfect as mine could ever be.
that would be at http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/tomekeeper/jref.html

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Posted on Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:46 pm

### Thanatos

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 249

Have any of you taken the challenge? I dont think so, the challenge has nothing to do with randi until you pass the preliminary, and the preliminary is held at your local research center. It has NOTHING TO DO with randi. If they give randi the paper that you pass then he tests you and you get your cash. But no one has past the preliminary.
http://206.225.95.123/forumlive//showthread.php?t=50033
Ryan hasnt submitted people that have witnessed him and has not sent an intelligent "proposal", and is not listening to what kramer is saying. Kramer doesnt want to hear him brag about what he can do, he wants a test protocol, ryan isnt so keen on reading rules.

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Posted on Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:53 am

### JoeT

Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 349

Hello everyone,
Very cool videos. I enjoyed watching them. However, trying to win this "challenge" is pointless. Randi is going to say one of two things;
1) In the first video, why did you have to touch the tennis balls in order to make it move in the first place? I mean, since you can easily move the tennis balls, why didn?t you just make them swing?
2) Can we meet? I'm interested in throwing you in my rented lavatory and proving you wrong.
I tried to sound like Randi as much as I can. He's not going to be impressed at all. If anything, it's going to piss him off. Randi is the kind of guy that if he doesn?t understand what?s going on, he'll attack it. That is what is going to happen to Ryan.
This challenge is pointless. He's what I call a bad skeptic. Prejudging and ignorant to what is going on right in front of him. I've been asked by people online, school and my own family to enter this contest. I repeatedly said no. Do you know why? Because I don?t want to be another "faker" in Randi's and his fans eyes. Even If I moved a book right in front of him, he'll blame it on things such as "The wind!" "Electrical static!" etc.
Don't get involved with Randi. He'll only bring you down and harm your interested with psionics. He's a bad skeptic, enough said.
Take care.
- JoeT

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Posted on Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:56 am

### Thanatos

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 249

JoeT you didn't even read my post, the challenge has nothing to do with randi, it is held in a local research center of the person submiting it. Randi is in the hospital, and had bypass surgery, he wont be doing anything for a while. Only on the final phase is randi present.

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Posted on Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:16 am

### JoeT

Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 349

Hello Thanatos,
It doesn?t matter. Randi will see the video and attack it. When Randi watches the videos on the "final stage" Randi will NOT let it go any further. Again, the competition is as pointless as your post. You totally missed what I was trying to state. Please reread my post.
He is a bad skeptic, end of story.
- JoeT

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