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Posted on Sat May 27, 2006 3:15 am

### Alexandra

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 160

FlashDuck wrote:
Uh... Well... <.< >.> *Goes into corner and feels ashamed, while crying.* Happy now?

YES !
Naaah, just kidding *comforts FlashDuck*
But why wouldn't ants have feelings? It wouldn't make any sense.... But I think we're going a bit offtopic...
I think psipets are living things(they live don't they?) But that doesn't necesarely(sp?!) means that they have real feelings and stuff....

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Posted on Sat May 27, 2006 5:36 am

### Archamond

Joined: 08 May 2006
Posts: 89

I think insects have instincts, not feelings, but its just my opinion
Even if they have feelings, they cannot possibly understand them, right?

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Posted on Sat May 27, 2006 5:48 am

### Alexandra

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 160

Archamond wrote:
I think insects have instincts, not feelings, but its just my opinion Even if they have feelings, they cannot possibly understand them, right?

Why not? We understand our feelings too right?(well most of the times...)

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Posted on Sat May 27, 2006 11:02 am

### Archamond

Joined: 08 May 2006
Posts: 89

Becouse their brain is much simplier
They cannot do rational thinking or anything similar

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Posted on Sat May 27, 2006 11:05 am

### Alexandra

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 160

Archamond wrote:
Becouse their brain is much simplier They cannot do rational thinking or anything similar

Yes but I'm sure our brain was like that too many many many many(x10000000) years ago... So their brains can develop too!

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Posted on Sat May 27, 2006 3:01 pm

### psi_manipulator_3000

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 1274

They can develop, yeah, but not right now. At the moment they are simple insects. You can't judge ants' feelings on "that they can develop" and what they may be like in millions of years. Live in the moement.

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Posted on Sat May 27, 2006 7:48 pm

### ARandomKid

Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 104

psi_manipulator_3000 wrote:
They can develop, yeah, but not right now. At the moment they are simple insects. You can't judge ants' feelings on "that they can develop" and what they may be like in millions of years. Live in the moement.

Yeah, look at how long it took us to "understand" our feelings...

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Posted on Sun May 28, 2006 9:24 am

### Alexandra

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 160

Yes but they're alive creatures, with feelings, and that was my point

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Posted on Sun May 28, 2006 12:16 pm

### psi_manipulator_3000

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 1274

Bacteria is a living thing, yet I don't think they are sad when other bacteria die, neither do they scream when you wash them away.

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Posted on Sun May 28, 2006 12:32 pm

### Alexandra

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 160

Things are getting kind of off-topic....

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Posted on Sun May 28, 2006 5:55 pm

### Bob_stew

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 265

Vladimir wrote:
Psi manipulator: Their DNA would probably be the "patterns" in them. Also, if it learns, feels, thinks, etc, then it's no different from us in the mind. All our minds are are computers.

I think much in the same way you do. One thing makes me stop and wonder, though: Awareness. Does a stone have 'awareness'/consciousness? Does a simple machine (catapult)? Does a computer?
EDIT: And, to make this stuff on-topic: Does a construct have an independent awareness/'point of view'?

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Posted on Sun May 28, 2006 10:40 pm

### Peebrain

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Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 716

Some people believe that psi is the stuff consciousness is made of. Under this belief system, making a psi ball is creating a ball of consciousness. In which case, you would consider the psi ball to be alive. It depends on all your definitions... different people believe different things.
~Sean

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Posted on Mon May 29, 2006 1:47 pm

### Archamond

Joined: 08 May 2006
Posts: 89

Peebrain wrote:

Some people believe that psi is the stuff consciousness is made of. Under this belief system, making a psi ball is creating a ball of consciousness. In which case, you would consider the psi ball to be alive. It depends on all your definitions... different people believe different things.
~Sean

In that case, it would be cruel to let Psi Ball go

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Posted on Mon May 29, 2006 3:24 pm

### Alexandra

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 160

Archamond wrote:

Peebrain wrote:

Some people believe that psi is the stuff consciousness is made of. Under this belief system, making a psi ball is creating a ball of consciousness. In which case, you would consider the psi ball to be alive. It depends on all your definitions... different people believe different things.
~Sean

In that case, it would be cruel to let Psi Ball go

Why? All birds leave their nest sooner or later

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Posted on Mon May 29, 2006 11:23 pm

### Toretha

Joined: 26 May 2006
Posts: 3

Actually, while there have been computers made that can talk to you, none have yet reached the point of intelligence which is that an alerted, reasonably intelligent person can talk to it without realizing within a reasonable amount of time that they're talking to a program not a person.
While this is a vague definition, simply being able to answer back does not even come close to that level of intelligence.

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