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Posted on Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:25 pm

### bladeslinger

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 1337

Skeptic:We joined this forum to learn but we have to have solid proof to beliee so it's youre duty to prove psi to us then teach us everything you know(thought I would use one of the more annoying skeptic styles )

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Posted on Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:41 pm

### sgtpsion

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 425

Psion: The best proof is the proof you know is real, because you made it yourself. If you fake something, you know it. But if you do something legitimately, you know it's legit. We're already teaching everything we know, as we learn/practice it.

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Posted on Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:51 pm

### Nightshade

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 421

bladeslinger wrote:
Skeptic:We joined this forum to learn but we have to have solid proof to beliee so it's youre duty to prove psi to us then teach us everything you know(thought I would use one of the more annoying skeptic styles )

psion:
prove it to yourself. we have all taken the step to prove the existance of psionics, and we have had our results. if you want proof, do what all of us have already done and take the weeks of practicing to prove it to yourself. you can't expect everything handed to you on a silver platter, why is this different?

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Posted on Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:08 am

### bladeslinger

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 1337

but why waste my time when you can already do this stuff?

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Posted on Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:59 am

### psi_manipulator_3000

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 1274

bladeslinger wrote:
but why waste my time when you can already do this stuff?

Psion: How do you think we got to this point? We did it.....you lazy bastard. nah. hehe.

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Posted on Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:18 am

### SameOldStuff

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Posts: 19

I am starting to beleive it exists (I am kind of skeptic) but something unbeleivable happened to my friend today. When he woke up, sometime during the day, he could see a face, and then closed his eyes and opened them again. Again, the face was there, and then it started to scream. He felt some pain in his head, and then he could see the face bleeding out of its ears and eyes. This kind of freaked me out a bit, but then I found out he was attacked. Does this normally happen?

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Posted on Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:22 am

### psi_manipulator_3000

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 1274

SameOldStuff wrote:
I am starting to beleive it exists (I am kind of skeptic) but something unbeleivable happened to my friend today. When he woke up, sometime during the day, he could see a face, and then closed his eyes and opened them again. Again, the face was there, and then it started to scream. He felt some pain in his head, and then he could see the face bleeding out of its ears and eyes. This kind of freaked me out a bit, but then I found out he was attacked. Does this normally happen?

I am talking to your friend now on msn. He told me about that too. I think that your post is in the wrong place though...

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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:46 am

### choymantisbxr

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 1

sceptic:
my contention is that, were it to exist, then it would be a much more popular and common facet of modern society. if it really existed, then why hasnt...say an indepentant media source done an investigative report on it? they could subject the psion to a series of tests in a controlled setting in which outside forces could be negated in order to prove or disprove the existence of psionics. if the reports on this site of kids who "show it to their friends at school" were credible, wouldnt the trend catch on? wouldn't a teacher or administrator say "DUDE...THATS...A BIG DEAL."? im completley open-minded to the possibility that it does exist, but ive tried for years and yeilded no tangible results, and it seems to me that, were it to exist, that it would be documented conclusivley to be real.

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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:48 am

### Gryphe

Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Posts: 20

I believe.
Why? Because I can do things.
That's all there is to it, really. I never expected to be able to play a music instrument, but I can play some really nice tunes on my synthesizer nowadays.
Practice, practice, practice!
I value personal experiences a lot more then scientific experiments proven or not proven by people I don't know and can or cannot trust.
ADD-ON: What I'm trying to say is.. It's there, I've experienced it. The sensations are real. Therefore it exists, right?

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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:14 pm

### bladeslinger

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 1337

choymantisbxr wrote:
sceptic: my contention is that, were it to exist, then it would be a much more popular and common facet of modern society. if it really existed, then why hasnt...say an indepentant media source done an investigative report on it? they could subject the psion to a series of tests in a controlled setting in which outside forces could be negated in order to prove or disprove the existence of psionics. if the reports on this site of kids who "show it to their friends at school" were credible, wouldnt the trend catch on? wouldn't a teacher or administrator say "DUDE...THATS...A BIG DEAL."? im completley open-minded to the possibility that it does exist, but ive tried for years and yeilded no tangible results, and it seems to me that, were it to exist, that it would be documented conclusivley to be real.

Psion: Like others have said sooo many times......peple don't want to and refuse to believe.....the government knows about it and they're not releasing it....when the world is ready to believe...they'll come to us

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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:45 am

### TheTelepath

Joined: 30 May 2006
Posts: 151

More like the government knows and are simply not releasing. That "waiting for the world to be ready" bullshit is foolish. You make to make people ready.

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Posted on Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:55 am

### Nightshade

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 421

continuing bladeslinger's answer (psion):
everyone can use psionics. if you can think, you can do it. it's just we tend to tune it out. as a child (2 or 3) we have already drowned out our abilities since we haven't had need to use them, and haven't been encouraged to. it's just the matter of tuning them back in. it's like the sound of a rainstorm. at first, it's loud and prominent. after a while, we tune it out and it can be hard to tune the sound back in. psionics are also labeled as "abnormal." well, where is the glamour in abnormal? humans are social, and we don't want to be abnormal, or do abnormal things. it's against our nature, so we just ignore psionics. religion (without getting into it) also plays a part, where most of them say witchcraft is bad, and people associate witchcraft with psionics and other supernatural phenomena. so it's not that psionics is some underground culture that the media doesn't reveal, it's just that we people have learned to ignore, and cover it up. and the tests you ask about have happened, google them. you can also find a lot on the internet about the government and remote viewing, and look up that nina kulgina (i think that's her name) lady, she was a famous psychokinetic. as for a trend that doesn't catch on, some kids are afraid their parents will be mad at them for practicing "witchcraft," or they are afraid that psionics is "witchcraft" and will have dire consequences. plus the ever annoying sentence: "move this!" all of these are HUGE factors in the hinderance of the psionic movement, and why we choose to ignore one of our most useful natural abilities.

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Posted on Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:06 am

### bladeslinger

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 1337

JustOwnin wrote:
More like the government knows and are simply not releasing. That "waiting for the world to be ready" bullshit is foolish. You make to make people ready.

you seem to act pretty high and mighty but you need to respect opinions before you go naming fools because having a closed mind to opinions is just as foolish as you say I am......

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Posted on Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:38 am

### somefatguy

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1187

bladeslinger wrote:

JustOwnin wrote:
More like the government knows and are simply not releasing. That "waiting for the world to be ready" bullshit is foolish. You make to make people ready.

you seem to act pretty high and mighty but you need to respect opinions before you go naming fools because having a closed mind to opinions is just as foolish as you say I am......

That's JustOwnin for ya. Read his thread in the Hellos and Goodbyes section. Oh, I see you have already read at least some.
http://www.psipog.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3276

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Posted on Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:50 am

### TheTelepath

Joined: 30 May 2006
Posts: 151

bladeslinger wrote:

JustOwnin wrote:
More like the government knows and are simply not releasing. That "waiting for the world to be ready" bullshit is foolish. You make to make people ready.

you seem to act pretty high and mighty but you need to respect opinions before you go naming fools because having a closed mind to opinions is just as foolish as you say I am......

Forgive me. I am just a man just like you. My post came from the anger that comes from seeing the truth about the "powers that be" conspiracy to hide such information from the mass media. And now, realizing that it can push our selves into a new era, embrace it. Next time I shall not speak in any negatives terms towards any individual.

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