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Posted on Tue May 30, 2006 5:05 am

### psi_manipulator_3000

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 1274

If it is indeed a ball of conciousness, then I would consider it alive. Computers can't do that yeah, just programs s'pose. They can still turn on you though, apparentely in the future. I even had this guy turn up at an assembly once in my school couple years ago who warned us that computers were going to take over hehe. People are saying that they are gonna be used in schools???! Crazy....whoa, this is off-topic.wooops.

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Posted on Tue May 30, 2006 7:35 am

### Archamond

Joined: 08 May 2006
Posts: 89

Alexandra wrote:

Archamond wrote:

Peebrain wrote:

Some people believe that psi is the stuff consciousness is made of. Under this belief system, making a psi ball is creating a ball of consciousness. In which case, you would consider the psi ball to be alive. It depends on all your definitions... different people believe different things.
~Sean

In that case, it would be cruel to let Psi Ball go

Why? All birds leave their nest sooner or later

You just need to say something oposite than me, right?

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Posted on Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:13 am

### paraplayer

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 147

There have been scientific tests that insects have emotions?
What? Why would an ant have emotions? They don't need them.
What is your source?

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Posted on Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:17 am

### Alexandra

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 160

paraplayer wrote:
There have been scientific tests that insects have emotions? What? Why would an ant have emotions? They don't need them. What is your source?

I don't remember someone saying that they have emotions.
Why wouldn't they need them? We need 'em just as much as they do...

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Posted on Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:12 pm

### Archamond

Joined: 08 May 2006
Posts: 89

Alexandra wrote:

paraplayer wrote:
There have been scientific tests that insects have emotions? What? Why would an ant have emotions? They don't need them. What is your source?

I don't remember someone saying that they have emotions.
Why wouldn't they need them? We need 'em just as much as they do...

Cos they are non-conscious beings

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Posted on Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:49 pm

### Alexandra

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 160

Who says so? We all started that way!

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Posted on Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:54 pm

### Archamond

Joined: 08 May 2006
Posts: 89

Alexandra wrote:
Who says so? We all started that way!

Yeah, few milions years ago:P
Thats their problem that they remained low in evolution:
PS.Why you love ants so much

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Posted on Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:33 pm

### Alexandra

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 160

I hate insects except butterfly's... ants are ok... better than spiders and whatelse DX
Yeah so? maybe the ants have a use underground with an enormous army and ants over 5 meters big and stuff and they're going to take over because they're smarter... You can't know, and I can because I'm their fanclub!
yyyeeeahhhh... riiiight... maybee pieple are right tat I have a uge imaginasion and R crasy XD

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Posted on Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:08 pm

### Archamond

Joined: 08 May 2006
Posts: 89

Alexandra wrote:

I hate insects except butterfly's... ants are ok... better than spiders and whatelse DX
Yeah so? maybe the ants have a use underground with an enormous army and ants over 5 meters big and stuff and they're going to take over because they're smarter... You can't know, and I can because I'm their fanclub!
yyyeeeahhhh... riiiight... maybee pieple are right tat I have a uge imaginasion and R crasy XD

Spiders are cool
Maybe they have underground, who knows

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Posted on Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:31 pm

### paraplayer

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 147

intrepidus6 wrote:
OH my god!!! I can't believe that some people thing that insects don't have feelings, even though it has been scientifically proven through many studies!

This is what I was talking about. I'm assuming he meant emotions by feelings but I could be wrong.

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Posted on Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:48 pm

### phsythax

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
Posts: 5

UltimateBlob wrote:
But it doesn't have free-will, It won't abuse you or refuse to talk to you - it's not programmed to.

thats the paradox-ish think about programming, programming is basicly "telling a microship what to do" say calculate 3 + 3 and it will do it. without saying "ill do it but hand over that extra ramslot first, im feeling tired" and whys that? becourse again, its programmed to do whatever we tell it to do
Can we tell it to think for itself? First, we must teach it what "teach for itself" means, that itself is a very hard task. Second we must make some kind of system that tells the computer how to "feel" what mood it should be in.
Then we can start teaching it how to talk and what Evil is etc etc..

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Posted on Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:10 pm

### ENtoMT

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Posts: 229

hmmm well psipets are not living. They are artifical Life, if some one programd one to have a mind of its own and every single thing That a human can do then it would still be artifical life. if it had organs, a brain then it would be living.

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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:11 pm

### Jake

Joined: 31 May 2006
Posts: 139

Has anyone seen the episode of Star-Trek, where Data wants to resign, but can't because Starfleet does not yet deem him living? In the end they deem him to indeed be alive. And in it they define living as:
1. Sentience
2. Intelligence
3. Free will
I don't know anything about Psi-Pets but if they fulfill those three requirements, I would say that yes, they are living beings.
(For non-trekkies, data is an android, a robot, if you will, that has human characteristics.)

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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:28 am

### Lucidess

Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 837

I've just started to undergo the classic psi-clone idea, and I will post whatever in my blog as I get it goin. So far i've made blueprints for the body, and wrote down alot of properties and such for the mind and body for now i'm making a shell for the mind so no information cannot escape.

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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:23 pm

### LOTRfool

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 518

Jake wrote:

Has anyone seen the episode of Star-Trek, where Data wants to resign, but can't because Starfleet does not yet deem him living? In the end they deem him to indeed be alive. And in it they define living as:
1. Sentience
2. Intelligence
3. Free will
I don't know anything about Psi-Pets but if they fulfill those three requirements, I would say that yes, they are living beings.
(For non-trekkies, data is an android, a robot, if you will, that has human characteristics.)

That's because they don't deem him sentient. I'm a trekky, and he was subjected to be dismantled and rebuilt and to see how his positronic brain was built to build more. It was a question of sentience, not livelyhood.
I stick with my stand that psipets are not living.

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