Comments on: Self-Replication vs. Truth

http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/ reality bizarres the standard Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:45:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: polymer http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1476 polymer Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:29:52 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1476 K, so you concluded that truth is immutable and eternal. Sure truth has always been like that, but that doesn't say a thing about what truth is. The thing about saying gravity exists, is that that's only an approximation of something far greater. There's some inherent property of matter which encourages it to be attracted to other blobs of matter, why? Answer that question, and you'd become a very famous individual...Just because there's a definite truth doesn't mean arguing is worthless! You're post is almost ignorant in a sense, since you're implying that the need to argue is completely unnecessary since truth doesn't waver to argument anyways. Not to mention you don't define truth very well... By: obsidian http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1452 obsidian Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:14:29 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1452 Not so much in terms of "truth" but of "ideas and thoughts" is what cultural evolution tends to conserve. Cultural evolution, as described by John McCrone is a form of artificial evolution based on language. Through language ideas are passed on and only the useful ones survive. Bad ideas/trends like castration of all infants at birth would be as counterproductive for a society as evolving an anchor out of our butts that we would have to drag all day. The truth in itself is a very tricky thing, something might seem real, and even be practical, though eventually it's proved false. The world was once TRULY flat... if you think of it, we as humans invented the notions of "flat" "round" and "earth", but though whatever combination we choose might be true for us, the universe doesnt really care. Stars don't care if they are holes in the sky or giant fusion reactors, and you can always argue something to be true; Well, if space is a giant blanked of nothing, then a hole in it would be a blob of "something". We created language, and thus the concept of "truth". And we all know how perfect people are, dont we? :P As for publishing your thoughts, I have to agree. Not only are people stubborn but in fact their minds (and brains) have been hardwired to a certain way of thinking. A person can only make gradual changes in the way they think unless they have a very strong experiance. Simply being open to new things is a big step, since it accelerates the speed at which your "mind" can "evolve" by rapidly dismissing what is proven unpractical. I try to stick to the practical and don't ask too many questions. In grade school I asked my teacher why fire looked like matter (a gas) and the whole class thought I was insinuating the old notion of fire atoms (I kid you not). Instead of explaining my teacher took the easy way out and told me to write a paper on it, which I didnt do, because it was unfair. I wasn't going to be the one to do her work. Now I know that fire is matter... burning in the air and expelling light. I can't point to fire and say "matter" though, everyone else swallowed what the teachers told. By: indigoblade http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1440 indigoblade Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:29:03 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1440 Awww hell, thats happened to me before, and then i become reemmersed in the whole dull illusion again. My only suggestion is that you not only relize that truth exist, but that you should speak this truth to those who seek it. Besides, what is the point of knowing something if you don't put it to good use? what im trying to say is not to only sit in your seat, but enjoy the ride as well. By: Bobrobyn http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1431 Bobrobyn Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:39:02 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1431 I've been thinking about the whole self-replication thing for a while. I never thought of thinking it in terms of truth. You know, we go to school, to uni, get a good job, all so we can find a good mate and have healthy kids. But you're right, truth transcends that. You gave me food for thought. Thanks, ~Bobrobyn By: fruo http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1430 fruo Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:56:04 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1430 So if you want to learn how things work and find the truth behind it all, then my all means, look for it. Some truth none of us know right now. This means there is space to theorize. That means we still have space. I dno-t see how you are depressed. By: PotentiaL http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1429 PotentiaL Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:25:28 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1429 I agree that truth is constant, that by definition it is always right. But, what matters? Rather than breathing a sigh of relief that truth exists and will always be correct, or being so incredibly humbled by its platonic nature, I'm more concerned about actually finding REAL truths for myself. Sean, personally I don't give a fuck if you post once a month or once a year; sometimes understanding your own reality isn't a one man job. Sometimes I agree with what you say, other times I don't. That's not to say I don't enjoy some discussion or I'm not interested in what you have to say. I just think that you posting helps you more than anyone else. Just like me writing this helps me more that anyone else. What I do care about is separating the real from the bullshit. Just because the real exists doesn't mean we should stop looking for it. Truth hasn't triumphed over anything unless it is understood. A truth as simple as gravitational attraction is inalienable. No one needs to be convinced of its existence. But look deeper, CERN just spent billions of dollars on a machine that MIGHT be able to figure out why gravity does what it does. Even under the most simple and basic layers of reality, hide big time questions and the answers won't come to those who don't look, that's a truth for you right there. The story of all humanity can be condensed into one sentence: The search for knowledge. Who has it? Who conceals it? Who's close? Who doesn't have a clue? These things are so complex, it took humans thousands of years just to sort out fire. Before we discovered fire, it was so far off our radar. Can you imagine the potential thoughts of early humans? They might have thought they had their reality all sorted out, maybe once they figured out migrating patterns of the animals they hunted they decided they knew everything there was to know about earth. Then BAM! lightning strikes, fire starts, and they're all like "what the fuck?". Fire existed long before and long after them, but that's not what matters. Knowing the truth... that's what matters. Both Psipog and Alittleweird discuss some really fringe topics. We walk the line between truth and bullshit everyday. But life is a game that may never be won, I just want to get farther than anyone ever has before. By: X-Master http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1428 X-Master Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:45:19 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1428 But then the question is, what is the ultimate truth, that is if such a thing exists. And can something like that ever be known? Since even though truth does not change, a person's perspective on it can, so then the truth is subject to interpretation depending on who's perspective you are looking at it from. And then of course it then can get into self-replication of the long standing tradition of twisting the truth, or half-truths. And you can also express yourself without it necessarily being something public, or out there for the world to see. By: DeathMinister http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1427 DeathMinister Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:39:07 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1427 Your name is Sean, and it is written in the book of universal truths (right next to gravity actually) that you post blogs to dramatically increase the IQ levels of .0000001% of the human population by making them question reality, beliefs, and invoking philosophical thought process'. Since this is truth, you shouldn't have trouble making posts. So shall it be written, so shall it be done. By: jack http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1426 jack Sun, 21 Sep 2008 03:37:40 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1426 When you talk about truth, have you ever wondered what it is? Truth doesn't exist because it is made up. Gravity is made up. Maybe things are not pulled by gravity, but just ourselves. Maybe I am picky about it but think about how many truths that we don't know? Infinite, and the "truths" that we do know are always constant. Now, math =p infinity over constant is infinity...What we know will always be zero compared to the unknown. Now, in this world we are all seeking for truth, though it is pointless to do so, but we argue that there is a point by comparing what we know with others. It is foolish to do so however because in a greater concept it is still zero compared to zero. You say truth never change, but how do you know that it never change? Or you just defined things that never change as truth just now. If a truth will never be known for sure then it can always change in the common mind of this society that the definition of truth is so broadly interpreted, perhaps even by one's perspective. Based on your interpretations on truth have you ever wondered the origins of matter? A religious interpretation would be god, but a more realistic interpretation would be never. The never interpretation here means that there was never a start to matter, and never an end to it. Now you can argue that whatever I say will not change the truth. Do you know the truth? For sure? Based on what evidence? Our struggle to knowing everything limited what we can truly understand. But by letting "truth" go, by wiping everything you know that is truth out of your memory(also letting go of every material and relations of this world)---Then you will achieve every truth, nil. The difference between that and death is that, it is not death, but a far greater achievement that can override the limitations of death. Btw I made up most of the stuff I said, so I don't really care if you say I'm BSing, feel free to say it. By: harmony http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1425 harmony Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:56:12 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2008/09/20/self-replication-vs-truth/#comment-1425 Hi Sean, I think the realization that thoughts and the world as we know it are self-replicating removes the drama from our search for the truth. Perhaps, it creates a sort of detachment as well? I also think that to understand truth exists is quite profound and not everyone can grasp it's existence or even cares. The truth cannot change, is actually one of the most comforting and exhilarating ideas of all time, imho. As far as expressing yourself through your blog... Yes, I guess expressing oneself has been done over. But, your point of view is greatly appreciated by the community here. The adaptation of your views, perhaps, is on the pulse of the evolution that is taking place <em>right now</em>. -Harmony