Comments on: My Current Understanding, v3.0

http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/ reality bizarres the standard Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:46:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Bohman http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-689 Bohman Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:34:41 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-689 Now I've read the entire post and all the comments. Cheers! :) I agree with everything you said Sean except for those things that contradicted what Bentinho had to say. I felt convinced by him, but I'm not sure. I guess I need an experience myself to get my standpoint clear. Also what war1025 had to say made a lot of sense to me. However, I also agree with Oneta about that it's hard to measure whether the conscious and the subc. is aligned or not, and thus it's hard to determine what makes intention manifestation work. And again it's hard to argue without any experience. By: altrie http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-402 altrie Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:20:08 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-402 I had some time to spare so I wrote here some of my thoughts aswell. All's made up by me. Would help me if you could find some flaws. I must add english is not my first language but I hope its understandable. Also, I must add I love all your pics. Then there is no probability, just cause and fact. The causes are fact of other causes and thats how the world "works". Just there are uncountable amount of causes in reality. Only way for your subconcious to predict something is to analyze the reality. For example while predicting the dice roll it has to analyse the current psychical state of roller to predict how will he roll and then how will the dice bounce and where will it stop and some more. If that is right, decision is just an illusion. In fact we chose everything because of a reason, and that reason has its causes, those causes their own causes etc. For example, I saw a Dragon Ball anime when I was young and then 10 years later when I first time read about energy manipulation I "decide" to learn it. The cause was anime I've seen but I dont even remember it, I just felt like it would be cool to manipulate energy. Then the choice is illusion. And if we push that forward, all is alredy decided. And if we push it backward, there had to be a "first cause" By: war1025 http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-393 war1025 Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:26:51 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-393 you cry. alot. (in response to "Soo… how do you get out of this loop?") By: jav http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-388 jav Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:21:24 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-388 "Reality determines what is possible, and what isn’t possible. Not your human understanding. So we must constantly evolve our own internal models based on what we observe in reality." This is where I struggle lately. I think the whole intention manifestation theory is closely related to the idea of 'you create your own reality'. And if you buy into that for a second, then you are basically unable to do any further 'observation'. Because what good is it to observe a reality that has been created based on your own assumptions about reality? Also you can not disprove it, because any proof why you don't create your own reality, can be understood as an created proof resulting from the belief that you don't create your own reality. Soo.. how do get out of this loop? By: SeansDad http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-383 SeansDad Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:43:18 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-383 Well I read the entire piece and my motives were not boredom. Though my journey started with your claim "randomness does not exists" I find it ironic the closer you get to your goal the more randomness (by definition) plays into your explanations. This I believe is due to MY reality I helped to create. (Damn that blender of bullshit) ~Dad By: war1025 http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-379 war1025 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:01:08 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-379 fair enough. By: Oneta http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-378 Oneta Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:21:46 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-378 Heh. I didn't really say anything about what belief is, or anything of the sort. I just brought up the fact of not fully believing in your own beliefs enough. Just because a belief is something you are uncertain of being real, doesn't mean you can't have enough faith in it to not care what others think on the subject. Any time I talk to my friend about such matters on Religion, this is what he tells me : "I'm open minded on what others believe, but closed on what I believe." Which is basically his way of saying "You can talk all you want, I don't care either way." The fact of saying that everyone is just here to slap ideas on the table just for the fun of it, or even to come up with something solid to believe in, well it just verifies what I said to begin with. It shows that you don't feel what you currently believe is accurate enough. Therefore you don't fully believe in it. If you did fully believe in it, then that is where you would end it, and you wouldn't need any more ideas to complete it, because you'd feel it was complete as is. As for if you are here to just share perspectives..what is the point? To show how you believe in this, not that it matters, because so and so believes in this? Anyways this is not the case. We have peebs posting his thoughts and beliefs, and then people who support Intention manifestation telling him not to give up just yet on the idea. Sounds like a bit more than just sharing perspective. A conversation of shared perspectives would go like this Tom: Hey bob, you know...I've been eating a lot of string cheese lately, and I just don't think I enjoy the taste of it anymore. Bob: That's cool, Tom, personally I enjoy string cheese myself on Ritz crackers. Tom: Yeah, me too, that's always been good for an easy snack when I'm too lazy to fix something. Not this: Tom: Hey bob, you know...I've been eating a lot of string cheese lately, and I just don't think I enjoy the taste of it anymore. Bob: Well that is strange, string cheese is so awesome, you shouldn't give up on it just yet, maybe your taste buds are just odd right now, because string cheese taste awesome to me, so it must be something wrong on your side. Tom: Yeah, well what about Onions, I like them, and you don't, so maybe your taste buds are the ones that are a bit off! Examples of the following conversation from this part of the blog: "However, I think you discard the idea of intention manifestation too briefly. You see, there are flaws, but they are not in the intention manifestation itself. The flaws exist in the explanation given by people who preach this principle of attraction." "No, cause then your subconscious mind is not 100% in line with your intention. That’s the only reason for the lack of manifestation. We might think we are completely in line with our intention, but if it doesn’t manifest, there is some subconscious/emotional/mental obstacle in our self." (said in response to Peebs implying that the problem here for sure was that things were not in line 100%, yet has no way of verification.) "There are some contradictions in this piece of text that shows bondage to the mind. You say Not to be attached to your mental model, but to let reality be the judge. But reality does not judge, only the mind judges."(This was said in response to a quote of Peebs) Then I chime in with the "you can argue all day" comment. Which I don't find to imposing, just trying to get some realization that arguements could seem valid from both points of view, depending on how you approach it. But apparently it was imposing, because it provoked a response. "So I would suggest not to discard the principle or suggest it is flawed; that is a hasty misassumption in my experience. The law is pure; we are not. Hence the lack of results."(sure you say in your experience, but anything anyone says is from their experience, you can't experience something for someone else.) Other similar things were said, but these were just the best examples and mainly because it is coming from the same one who was saying we are just sharing perspectives. To share perspectives is not to tell each other what we think they are doing wrong, or what we think they should do. Even if you present such as opinions, it is still debating. And in debates you try and convince others that what you are saying is right, and the other party is wrong. By: war1025 http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-377 war1025 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:33:03 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-377 "Feeling the need to convince others of the correctness of what you believe only shows you don’t fully believe in it enough yourself, and you need others to fill that lack of belief for you." -- Oneta Belief, at least as I understand it, is by definition something that is not certain. I believe in God. I believe in ghosts. I believe you are telling the truth. etc. In each of these statements there is no direct proof of truth. There is room for doubt. That is what makes them "beliefs." I don't believe that I am 18 years old. I know that I am. It is a quantifiable, provable fact. Knowing things is great as far as certain things are concerned. But sometimes its better to just believe. Belief, in my mind, means that you are still searching. You are still trying to find solid ground. As soon as you *know* something, it ceases to change. You are no longer accepting alternate possibilities. And that is what we are trying to do here, we are trying to find something to *believe* with a greater degree of certainty. We still don't really know anything for certain, but we would really like to get closer to that end. So, this isn't so much everyone trying to get others to believe what they do, but us simply laying our cards out on the table and asking each other "What among this is plausible?" No, I don't fully believe any of this. I am uncertain, I have doubts. I'm just searching for something to put some faith into. By: Bentinho Massaro http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-376 Bentinho Massaro Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:47:46 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-376 I was not trying to convince you =), we were just having a passionate discussion to share perspectives :). By: Oneta http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-374 Oneta Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:51:05 +0000 http://alittleweird.com/2007/06/19/my-current-understanding-v30/#comment-374 The post I ended up typing in response to the responses to my post were longer than I wanted to post(as usual). So I'm just going to say : If it works for you go with it, don't expect though because you feel that it is right you, that it will be right for everyone else(yes, as peebs has said before). Feeling the need to convince others of the correctness of what you believe only shows you don't fully believe in it enough yourself, and you need others to fill that lack of belief for you. With that said, I think it is clear that I don't believe the way you do, and I'm not simply going to take it into consideration just because one guy on the internet says he believes in it.