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cinderwild

For awhile I have thought about this and I decided it was time to voice my opinion. I don't know if I'm simply projecting my own feelings onto everyone else, but from when I first found out about Psipog I was very lazy about training. Why? Well, I was a regular daydreaming kid. I had other things to do, and while psychic phenomenon was what I felt I cared about most, it was more of a daydream idea than something for me to actively pursue. I didn't feel like I could.
The second thing that discouraged me was the condition of the community. Sure, the articles were written by friendly sounding people, but once I had read them and saw the terms they used I thought, "Really? That's it? " Psychic phenomenon was mysterious, and here I had these people who weren't even that developed themselves (by my super hero influenced standards) saying that it was this way.
Then I visited the forums, and that's were it got old. Most of the forum goers were just like me: Little kids, or much worse, people who thought they knew everything. Everyone had a theory, and plenty of them really thought ONLY MY THEORY IS CORRECT. To be honest my entire experience there is pretty vague, but it led to my still current habit of just skimming over theories and such that people have because I didn't feel like they knew anything at all.
(SKIP TO HERE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ ANY OF THAT)
My point is, I've been with ALW since its inception and I see a lot of limiting behavior. Psychic phenomenon is by far one of the most mysterious things that we have, and guess what we as a community say about it? We say it is a tangible concept. We say it's possible! But so many people say, " Well, you can't do it to that extent. " Why, because you can't?
This isn't meant as rude, but how many of these skeptical ( I realize I'm a skeptic too!) people who immediately shutdown someone's fantasy actually have tried their hardest to develop these skills? Are you still practicing and trying to get better, or have you reached a mental climax where you just say, " Oh well, can't get any better. " and start telling everyone else they can't too? How many of you who are making up theories have spent more time developing the skill than the theories?
For awhile I have thought about this and I decided it was time to voice my opinion. I don't know if I'm simply projecting my own feelings onto everyone else, but from when I first found out about Psipog I was very lazy about training. Why? Well, I was a regular daydreaming kid. I had other things to do, and while psychic phenomenon was what I felt I cared about most, it was more of a daydream idea than something for me to actively pursue. I didn't feel like I could. The second thing that discouraged me was the condition of the community. Sure, the articles were written by friendly sounding people, but once I had read them and saw the terms they used I thought, "Really? That's it? " Psychic phenomenon was mysterious, and here I had these people who weren't even that developed themselves (by my super hero influenced standards) saying that it was this way. Then I visited the forums, and that's were it got old. Most of the forum goers were just like me: Little kids, or much worse, people who thought they knew everything. Everyone had a theory, and plenty of them really thought ONLY MY THEORY IS CORRECT. To be honest my entire experience there is pretty vague, but it led to my still current habit of just skimming over theories and such that people have because I didn't feel like they knew anything at all. (SKIP TO HERE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ ANY OF THAT) My point is, I've been with ALW since its inception and I see a lot of limiting behavior. Psychic phenomenon is by far one of the most mysterious things that we have, and guess what we as a community say about it? We say it is a tangible concept. We say it's possible! But so many people say, " Well, you can't do it to that extent. " Why, because you can't? This isn't meant as rude, but how many of these skeptical ( I realize I'm a skeptic too!) people who immediately shutdown someone's fantasy actually have tried their hardest to develop these skills? Are you still practicing and trying to get better, or have you reached a mental climax where you just say, " Oh well, can't get any better. " and start telling everyone else they can't too? How many of you who are making up theories have spent more time developing the skill than the theories?

Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Akio

Well said cinderwild, I completely agree with you.
Well said cinderwild, I completely agree with you.

Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Linked

and too add to it, the people who come up with theroies hardly ever test them. i can understand that maybe some people don't have the time, or resources to test them though.
and too add to it, the people who come up with theroies hardly ever test them. i can understand that maybe some people don't have the time, or resources to test them though.

Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Antisankari

There are few people willing to put their lives second to their psionic interests.
Lets be honest. Who arond here is willing to work his ass off in a pursuit of something that has no promised reward. Imagine spending 10...20... or 30 years in a pursuit of something, denying yourself from being distracted from your efforts, and finding out that all was for nothing.
People who attend medschool KNOW that if they are willing to work the hours and walk the walk, they WILL become doctors.
Psionics however gives no guarantees. You might gain something or you might not. Nobody knows and everybody wonders. People just sit in ring explaining their pipe-dream theories to one another but at the end of a the day, none is the wiser.
There are few people willing to put their lives second to their psionic interests. Lets be honest. Who arond here is willing to work his ass off in a pursuit of something that has no promised reward. Imagine spending 10...20... or 30 years in a pursuit of something, denying yourself from being distracted from your efforts, and finding out that all was for nothing. People who attend medschool KNOW that if they are willing to work the hours and walk the walk, they WILL become doctors. Psionics however gives no guarantees. You might gain something or you might not. Nobody knows and everybody wonders. People just sit in ring explaining their pipe-dream theories to one another but at the end of a the day, none is the wiser.

Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Linked

witch is why as a whole idea psi is makeing no progress.
witch is why as a whole idea psi is makeing no progress.

Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Akio

I remember a motivational speaker from a few years ago. He had a demonstration that just stuck with me.
he had a glass jar, sand, and marbles.
The glass represented our lives, The sand is the fun things we can do, and the Marbles are all of the achievements we make.
"A person who wastes his time having fun"
He said as he poured the sand into the Jar.
"Won't have the time in his life to make any achievements"
He then poured the marbles into the jar, they rolled off the top and fell to the ground beneath his feat.
"but (he pulls our another jar), a man who works hard to achieve his goals"
*he pours the marbles into the jar, filling it up nearly to the top*
"Can fill his life with all the fun in the world"
* he then pours the entire contents if the first jar into the second*
not a grain of sand fell from the jar, The whole High school gave him a standing ovation... It was one of the best speeches I've heard in year ^_^.
_________________________________________________________________
This is something enjoyable. I study it time and time again. But I Go out of my way to make sure I get through school and get My education, as well as a job that can support everything I would like to do. That way, when the time comes, I can take all the time I want to Make advancements in psionics
I remember a motivational speaker from a few years ago. He had a demonstration that just stuck with me. he had a glass jar, sand, and marbles. The glass represented our lives, The sand is the fun things we can do, and the Marbles are all of the achievements we make. "A person who wastes his time having fun" He said as he poured the sand into the Jar. "Won't have the time in his life to make any achievements" He then poured the marbles into the jar, they rolled off the top and fell to the ground beneath his feat. "but (he pulls our another jar), a man who works hard to achieve his goals" *he pours the marbles into the jar, filling it up nearly to the top* "Can fill his life with all the fun in the world" * he then pours the entire contents if the first jar into the second* not a grain of sand fell from the jar, The whole High school gave him a standing ovation... It was one of the best speeches I've heard in year ^_^. _________________________________________________________________ This is something enjoyable. I study it time and time again. But I Go out of my way to make sure I get through school and get My education, as well as a job that can support everything I would like to do. That way, when the time comes, I can take all the time I want to Make advancements in psionics

Last edited by Akio, 4 years, 5 months ago
Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Takkun

Cinderwild, I agree. Do you know how many sites have NO clue what they're talking about? Why do they even waste the bandwidth and domain? That's part of the reason I left Psipog (no offense Sean) and only recently came back here.
And yes, we have no idea to what end Psi will lead us. But if the British Colonists didnt TRY to gain freedom, we probably wouldnt be here. So we're like the thankless pioneers in this respect. And quite frankly, I could care less about "Making something of my life". Success comes after happiness is achieved, NOT the other way around. I'd rather die poor and happy than rich and lonely and hurt. But maybe thats just my ghetto upbringing talking @.@.
Cinderwild, I agree. Do you know how many sites have NO clue what they're talking about? Why do they even waste the bandwidth and domain? That's part of the reason I left Psipog (no offense Sean) and only recently came back here. And yes, we have no idea to what end Psi will lead us. But if the British Colonists didnt TRY to gain freedom, we probably wouldnt be here. So we're like the thankless pioneers in this respect. And quite frankly, I could care less about "Making something of my life". Success comes after happiness is achieved, NOT the other way around. I'd rather die poor and happy than rich and lonely and hurt. But maybe thats just my ghetto upbringing talking @.@.

Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

SheepKing

You get to a point where what you are talking about is so speculative that it is almost completely worthless to talk about. Not to mention it completely destroy's your credibility in the eyes of others.
What's the point in getting excited about say... teleporting yourself psychically, or lifting a car, when you are not every going to actually achieve it?
I've seen small objects moved, and I've seen thoughts other peoples thoughts. I've seen constructs being slightly autonomous. I've seen people healed, people hurt, and the past/future.
I haven't seen anyone teleport. I've never seen a psi animal running around. I haven't seen anyone burst into flames, or phase through walls. I haven't seen larger objects (relatively small yet) picked up, flown around, or moved.
I recognize the upper limits of psi from what I observe.
You get to a point where what you are talking about is so speculative that it is almost completely worthless to talk about. Not to mention it completely destroy's your credibility in the eyes of others. What's the point in getting excited about say... teleporting yourself psychically, or lifting a car, when you are not every going to actually achieve it? I've seen small objects moved, and I've seen thoughts other peoples thoughts. I've seen constructs being slightly autonomous. I've seen people healed, people hurt, and the past/future. I haven't seen anyone teleport. I've never seen a psi animal running around. I haven't seen anyone burst into flames, or phase through walls. I haven't seen larger objects (relatively small yet) picked up, flown around, or moved. I recognize the upper limits of psi from what I observe.

Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

bd333

posted by Akio:
Well said cinderwild, I completely agree with you.
Same here, which is why whenever I post I try not to put limits on what I say. I just feel that people should set their own limits, not let others do it for them.
~Bobby
[quote][i]posted by Akio:[/i] Well said cinderwild, I completely agree with you.[/quote] Same here, which is why whenever I post I try not to put limits on what I say. I just feel that people should set their own limits, not let others do it for them. ~Bobby

Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

cinderwild

posted by SheepKing:
You get to a point where what you are talking about is so speculative that it is almost completely worthless to talk about. Not to mention it completely destroy's your credibility in the eyes of others.
You didn't mention how much you've studied and tried to do any of those things though.
I understand your point, I just don't agree with it overall. It feels very silly to put limits on what we currently know as limitless. You can observer limits, but why ONLY adhere to those limits? Practitioners of Chi and martial arts (Zectra!) spend a long time developing their abilities to a tee. Maybe we just haven't tried hard enough yet.
ALTHOUGH, I do agree that it can get to a point of pointlessness when all someone does is fantasize and talk about how cool it is wtihout trying to achieve it. I know, I've been that person for a very long time.
[quote][i]posted by SheepKing:[/i] You get to a point where what you are talking about is so speculative that it is almost completely worthless to talk about. Not to mention it completely destroy's your credibility in the eyes of others. [/quote] You didn't mention how much you've studied and tried to do any of those things though. I understand your point, I just don't agree with it overall. It feels very silly to put limits on what we currently know as limitless. You can observer limits, but why ONLY adhere to those limits? Practitioners of Chi and martial arts (Zectra!) spend a long time developing their abilities to a tee. Maybe we just haven't tried hard enough yet. ALTHOUGH, I do agree that it can get to a point of pointlessness when all someone does is fantasize and talk about how cool it is wtihout trying to achieve it. I know, I've been that person for a very long time.

Last edited by cinderwild, 4 years, 5 months ago
Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Akio

Takkun... It's supposed to be a motivation to stop procrastinating. And the central Idea is that you can have fun any time, but you only have one chance to make something of yourself.
Takkun... It's supposed to be a motivation to stop procrastinating. And the central Idea is that you can have fun any time, but you only have one chance to make something of yourself.

Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Sean

Well... there's a balance. Surely, open-mindedness is important. But at the same time, you can't be so open, that you entertain every wild idea with complete seriousness. The truth is that there is only a finite amount of time, energy, and resources in the world. So, we have to prioritize.
Now, if I prioritize things differently than someone else, then that's ok. If someone else wants to spend time and energy on trying to fly, or teleport... go for it. I personally think there are better ways to spend your time, but it's your time. And if you succeed, then I would definitely be interested.
But what realistically happens? A kid becomes excited, sees a movie, and thinks that if they just "BELIEVE!" then they can become a super-hero! I have a hard time taking these people seriously.
But sure - if that kid is successful, then by all means - bring forward your evidence! I will be very interested in seeing it! But that's the big if.
The evidence I've seen suggests that there are limits. Now, I am open-minded to the point of allowing someone to show me otherwise. But I am not open-minded to the point of ignoring all the evidence I've seen, just so I can indulge someone in their fantasy. I believe my approach is realistic and balanced.
~Sean
Well... there's a balance. Surely, open-mindedness is important. But at the same time, you can't be so open, that you entertain every wild idea with complete seriousness. The truth is that there is only a finite amount of time, energy, and resources in the world. So, we have to prioritize. Now, if I prioritize things differently than someone else, then that's ok. If someone else wants to spend time and energy on trying to fly, or teleport... go for it. I personally think there are better ways to spend your time, but it's your time. And if you succeed, then I would definitely be interested. But what realistically happens? A kid becomes excited, sees a movie, and thinks that if they just "BELIEVE!" then they can become a super-hero! I have a hard time taking these people seriously. But sure - [b]if[/b] that kid is successful, then by all means - bring forward your evidence! I will be very interested in seeing it! But that's the big if. The evidence I've seen suggests that there are limits. Now, I am open-minded to the point of allowing someone to show me otherwise. But I am not open-minded to the point of ignoring all the evidence I've seen, just so I can indulge someone in their fantasy. I believe my approach is realistic and balanced. ~Sean

Last edited by Sean, 4 years, 5 months ago
Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Akio

Well Said Sean...
Well Said Sean...

Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

chillpill

It's easy to blame your negative feelings on everything else around you.
Not so easy is to take responsibility for what you choose to believe and how you choose to let it affect you.
If someone says you can't, that doesn't mean you have to let that get you down. Have strength, challenge their opinion if you must acknowledge it as credible, or better yet, don't acknowledge it as credible at all. You have that choice.
This forum is filled with those types of people. The world is filled with those types of people. Those people aren't going to disappear or go away. What are you going to do about it? Complain? Blame them? Or take control of your life?
Akio: Thanks for sharing that demonstration with us, very cool.
It's easy to blame your negative feelings on everything else around you. Not so easy is to take responsibility for what you choose to believe and how you choose to let it affect you. If someone says you can't, that doesn't mean you have to let that get you down. Have strength, challenge their opinion if you must acknowledge it as credible, or better yet, don't acknowledge it as credible at all. You have that choice. This forum is filled with those types of people. The world is filled with those types of people. Those people aren't going to disappear or go away. What are you going to do about it? Complain? Blame them? Or take control of your life? Akio: Thanks for sharing that demonstration with us, very cool.

Last edited by chillpill, 4 years, 5 months ago
Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

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