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Psi? The Aether? Or Just pure and Simple Energy?

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keen31

@mrj
yeah, same idea, good find.
phenomenon was a decent movie.
@mrj yeah, same idea, good find. phenomenon was a decent movie.

Posted 4 years, 7 months ago

ErikJDurwoodII

Akio,
"could we infact take potential energy, and direct it throgh another means in order to creat pk?"
That is exactly what I said. ^__^ Basically you are "relieving" stored energy and programming it to do what you want.
All working energy is just "potential put to purpose." We are just doing it consciously and with intent.
Mrj,
To make a surplus of potential energy, you need to "stress" a system. All exertions of energy, tensioning of material, movement of matter, heck, even occupying of space puts "stress" on space/time.
These stress vectors can be made or harnessed in countless ways. Martial artists use posture and movement to cultivate the energy from their system. Elemenatlists could use fire or moving water. I, personally, use electromagnetism.
Whether you are using available energy or creating more for your use, this is just a manipulation of a normal functioning of the universe.
One example: Slamming your fist onto a table. The transfer of energy that occurs on contact charges the table with energy that is dispersed into its structure. With careful control, that energy could be manipulated and diverted, or perhaps concentrated. There are many martial arts techniques that claim to do just that.
Wherever you see energy, it is coming from potential. Active energy can be absorbed and "recharged" into potential.
- Erik
Akio, "could we infact take potential energy, and direct it throgh another means in order to creat pk?" That is exactly what I said. ^__^ Basically you are "relieving" stored energy and programming it to do what you want. All working energy is just "potential put to purpose." We are just doing it consciously and with intent. Mrj, To make a surplus of potential energy, you need to "stress" a system. All exertions of energy, tensioning of material, movement of matter, heck, even occupying of space puts "stress" on space/time. These stress vectors can be made or harnessed in countless ways. Martial artists use posture and movement to cultivate the energy from their system. Elemenatlists could use fire or moving water. I, personally, use electromagnetism. Whether you are using available energy or creating more for your use, this is just a manipulation of a normal functioning of the universe. One example: Slamming your fist onto a table. The transfer of energy that occurs on contact charges the table with energy that is dispersed into its structure. With careful control, that energy could be manipulated and diverted, or perhaps concentrated. There are many martial arts techniques that claim to do just that. Wherever you see energy, it is coming from potential. Active energy can be absorbed and "recharged" into potential. - Erik

Posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Akio

^_^, I Guess I'm reapeating every thing you're already saying, more simplified, mind you, but still...
What System would you stress though? It could be the human body, it could be any number of things, It could even be a rock as far as I am understanding, however; could altitude possibly effect the amount of stress that is required on your part for Pk because of your potential energy, am I misenterpreting what you are saying?
^_^, I Guess I'm reapeating every thing you're already saying, more simplified, mind you, but still... What System would you stress though? It could be the human body, it could be any number of things, It could even be a rock as far as I am understanding, however; could altitude possibly effect the amount of stress that is required on your part for Pk because of your potential energy, am I misenterpreting what you are saying?

Posted 4 years, 7 months ago

mrj

@Erik: I see, But what happens to our sources? Like if I absorb energy from a rock and use it for something, what happens to the rock? Will it physically change? Or will nothing physical happen at all?
@Erik: I see, But what happens to our sources? Like if I absorb energy from a rock and use it for something, what happens to the rock? Will it physically change? Or will nothing physical happen at all?

Last edited by mrj, 4 years, 7 months ago
Posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Zectra

Mjr:
m = e/c²
Surely someone else can explain.. I need to get back to work.
Mjr: m = e/c² Surely someone else can explain.. I need to get back to work.

Last edited by Zectra, 4 years, 7 months ago
Posted 4 years, 7 months ago

ErikJDurwoodII

"But what happens to our sources? Like if I absorb energy from a rock and use it for something, what happens to the rock? Will it physically change? Or will nothing physical happen at all?"
Well according to the data from the experiments, very little "excess" energy can be pulled from an object, say a rock, before more energy is required to extract it than you get out of it. The "surface potential" is a small amount of transient energy that it stored in the object. One observed effect is the object becomes lighter. Not by very much, but by enough to be reliably measured. Other versions of this method have led to PK theories as well as some anti-gravity research. Another effect is spontaneous movement of the subject.
One way to look at this is (as Zectra I believe was pointing out) is relativity. Instead of thinking that you are pulling energy from the rock itself, think of it more like "the rock, by occupying space, curves it." as Einstein predicted. "This curvature creates tension on space/time which is supposedly normally manifested as gravitation. Well, instead, take that potential energy and use it elsewhere. The gravitational effect is supposedly lessened.
Now don't think you can suck the gravity from a rock and make it levitate easily. It has so far required massive electromagnetic coils to cause this effect:
http://www.hfml.ru.nl/froglev.html
But when you are dealing with a lot of energy from a lot of locations all convening at a point to do work, you still have a good deal of energy.
"But what happens to our sources? Like if I absorb energy from a rock and use it for something, what happens to the rock? Will it physically change? Or will nothing physical happen at all?" Well according to the data from the experiments, very little "excess" energy can be pulled from an object, say a rock, before more energy is required to extract it than you get out of it. The "surface potential" is a small amount of transient energy that it stored in the object. One observed effect is the object becomes lighter. Not by very much, but by enough to be reliably measured. Other versions of this method have led to PK theories as well as some anti-gravity research. Another effect is spontaneous movement of the subject. One way to look at this is (as Zectra I believe was pointing out) is relativity. Instead of thinking that you are pulling energy from the rock itself, think of it more like "the rock, by occupying space, curves it." as Einstein predicted. "This curvature creates tension on space/time which is supposedly normally manifested as gravitation. Well, instead, take that potential energy and use it elsewhere. The gravitational effect is supposedly lessened. Now don't think you can suck the gravity from a rock and make it levitate easily. It has so far required massive electromagnetic coils to cause this effect: http://www.hfml.ru.nl/froglev.html But when you are dealing with a lot of energy from a lot of locations all convening at a point to do work, you still have a good deal of energy.

Last edited by ErikJDurwoodII, 4 years, 7 months ago
Posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Akio

hmm, that leads to an interesing Idea for levitation techniques Erik, so long as you have the power to do it.
From what I'm understanding, it would be easier to harness power from active energy in order to move an object. Which is to say that It's Much easier to manipulate the movement of objects than to move them out of pure Pk.
This is interesting, might be a way to use this inorder to levitate objects, maybe I could set this up as the next thing for me to accomplish. Hope I don't end up killing myself in the process. ^_-
hmm, that leads to an interesing Idea for levitation techniques Erik, so long as you have the power to do it. From what I'm understanding, it would be easier to harness power from active energy in order to move an object. Which is to say that It's Much easier to manipulate the movement of objects than to move them out of pure Pk. This is interesting, might be a way to use this inorder to levitate objects, maybe I could set this up as the next thing for me to accomplish. Hope I don't end up killing myself in the process. ^_-

Posted 4 years, 7 months ago

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