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cinderwild

What about a clairvoyant chess player? = D
Earlier my friend and I had a long conversation about free will. The conclusion that we came down to is that free will is actually a paradoxical idea in that you can not (I realize Jusseppe said something about this) prove if it is real or predetermined based on the past and everything currently happening because all of the past events of life are required for free will to exist in the first place. Of course, this does not factor in anything spiritual, but we were talking strictly scientific.
What about a clairvoyant chess player? = D Earlier my friend and I had a long conversation about free will. The conclusion that we came down to is that free will is actually a paradoxical idea in that you can not (I realize Jusseppe said something about this) prove if it is real or predetermined based on the past and everything currently happening because all of the past events of life are required for free will to exist in the first place. Of course, this does not factor in anything spiritual, but we were talking strictly scientific.

Posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Jusseppe

Yeah, just to make things clear I'm not a big fan of religion (or established religions, to be more specific), but I wanted to touch the subject of free will in religion cause I find it really interesting!
Yeah, just to make things clear I'm not a big fan of religion (or established religions, to be more specific), but I wanted to touch the subject of free will in religion cause I find it really interesting!

Posted 4 years, 10 months ago

cinderwild

Oh, certainly it is. Free will in religion is a very vague and touchy subject. I believe most religious people live by it, but it gets hazy when they say that their God knows all of their future actions, or that something was God's plan.
Personally, I prefer to think it's all absolute free will. No strings attached to a God.
Oh, certainly it is. Free will in religion is a very vague and touchy subject. I believe most religious people live by it, but it gets hazy when they say that their God knows all of their future actions, or that something was God's plan. Personally, I prefer to think it's all absolute free will. No strings attached to a God.

Posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Jusseppe

I agree. But I think some people feel more comfortable thinking their misery is part of some Master Plan. Althou I think some things do happen for a reason.
I agree. But I think some people feel more comfortable thinking their misery is part of some Master Plan. Althou I think some things do happen for a reason.

Posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Takkun

@Dash
"well the only reason i said what i said,
was because ive created a fake future.. in my head..
and.. i know what i have to do to make it happen.. i can literally feel the next step to make it happen.. every move.. and i know what'll happen if i dont take the move,
ive created my own future..
and so far.. ive been completely right"
Isn't that just setting a goal and working towards it? Even if only subconsciously?
@Dash "well the only reason i said what i said, was because ive created a fake future.. in my head.. and.. i know what i have to do to make it happen.. i can literally feel the next step to make it happen.. every move.. and i know what'll happen if i dont take the move, ive created my own future.. and so far.. ive been completely right" Isn't that just setting a goal and working towards it? Even if only subconsciously?

Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Akio

What's the Difference Takkun, you're arguing minute points that really have no relevance to the point he is trying to make.
What's the Difference Takkun, you're arguing minute points that really have no relevance to the point he is trying to make.

Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

chillpill

Alright, first a test:
Either put your left hand on your right hand or put your right hand on your left hand.
Which did you choose?
Either way, you chose, right?
You had the ability to choose "left on right" or "right on left".
In fact, some of the people that read this probably didn't even perform the test.
That was also their choice.
Whether or not your choice was foreseen by God, or something else, you still made the decision. Just because there was another possibility doesn't mean you didn't choose, it just means you went down one path and not another.
If you look at it in the sense that time has already progressed and we are just acting it out in accordance to what choices we've already made (in the future), then it was still "us" that made the choices, we still had the control, why would we make them different if time was a loop like that?
(According to some physicists, time isn't a loop at all btw).
The day when I choose to put my left hand on my right hand and my right hand goes over my left, then maybe I'll question my free will.
I might even freak out a little.
By the way, if you have someone with excellent precognitive abilities standing on one side of you, and someone who is a very skilled telepath on the other, and you ask them:
"Which one of you guys am I going to punch in the face?"
They would technically both be able to tell you the correct answer, right?
What's the point?
WARNING! RELIGION!
Maybe God doesn't see your future and your destiny isn't set in stone, but rather he can read your mind, or he just knows what you'll do.
Alright, first a test: Either put your left hand on your right hand or put your right hand on your left hand. Which did you choose? Either way, [i]you[/i] chose, right? You had the ability to choose "left on right" or "right on left". In fact, some of the people that read this probably didn't even perform the test. That was also [i]their[/i] choice. Whether or not your choice was foreseen by God, or something else, you still made the decision. Just because there was another possibility doesn't mean you didn't choose, it just means you went down one path and not another. If you look at it in the sense that time has already progressed and we are just acting it out in accordance to what choices we've already made (in the future), then it was still "us" that made the choices, we still had the control, why would we make them different if time was a loop like that? (According to some physicists, time isn't a loop at all btw). The day when I choose to put my left hand on my right hand and my right hand goes over my left, then maybe I'll question my free will. I might even freak out a little. By the way, if you have someone with excellent precognitive abilities standing on one side of you, and someone who is a very skilled telepath on the other, and you ask them: "Which one of you guys am I going to punch in the face?" They would technically both be able to tell you the correct answer, right? What's the point? WARNING! RELIGION! Maybe God doesn't see your future and your destiny isn't set in stone, but rather he can read your mind, or he just knows what you'll do.

Posted 4 years, 5 months ago

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